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Written by Kwani · February 4, 2008

With the primary aim of stimulating debate, we are highlighting an altercation going on in the comments boxes of this blog. The text is as it was posted and there has been no editorial intervention. Most of the ideas expressed here are so shallow that a disclaimer would not be necessary to prove that we do not endorse this conversation.


Uncle joe: Jan 13, 2008-

It is not with surprise that I read the view that Mwai Kibaki is not the legitimate president of Kenya. This view is so pervasive that even many who supported the president have been deceived into taking it up.That it is so widespread is a tribute to the ODM’s knack for lies and its efficiency at pushing them as truth. It is also in no small part a result of the political ineptitude of the PNU and State House.The view is predicated on two strands of thought. The first, published by the ODM and a perpetuation of its hateful and divisive anti-GEMA strategy, declares that President Kibaki won only one of Kenya’s provinces and is therefore not the true president of all Kenya. The second, declares the election stolen by the incumbent, and rather cheekily insists that the extension of his tenancy at State House is a ‘coup’.
National Support

This first argument is only one of the few in the litany of lies the ODM has rammed through a servile, biased media. The facts speak for themselves, Mwai Kibaki won 4 out of Kenya’s provinces and MPs running on pro-Kibaki platforms won more than 100 seats with victories in every single province. None of his rivals even came close to the same level of support. Kibaki also won a sizeable number of votes even in the provinces where he was overall second best, reaching the 25% mark in every province but Nyanza, where he still managed to poll 17% of the vote. The ODM candidate on the other hand posted a measly 2% and 5% in Central and Eastern provinces, and managed 25% in only six of the provinces.

‘But the bulk of the president’s votes were GEMA votes,’ comes the reply. Well, that may be true but the formulation GEMA itself makes into one what are properly a multitude of ethnicities. More importantly however, our democracy as currently fashioned makes no demands on the ethnicity of voters desiring merely that the victorious candidate have the approval of at least 25% from five provinces to underline his nationalist credentials. To reiterate, it is not communities, faiths or regions that vote. It is individuals.

This is no trivial point. The ODM has taken even before the election to making the case that their candidate was the People’s Candidate, Kenya’s candidate. That was all very well for that period when presentation and marketing were more important than truth; but in this the post-election period, the party and its supporters would do well to realise that by any estimation fully 4 million Kenyans declared their support for each of the two leading candidates. So it is that even now,as the party and its supporters persist in saying that the Kenyan people have been robbed, the Kenyan people are angry, they must remember that there are some Kenyans a substantial number, a majority even who actually voted for Kibaki - and who rejected the ODM.

For starters, it is most irresponsible, if typical of the ODM to neglect to take into account the votes of these 4 million, they are after all just GEMA, Gikuyu, Embu, Meru, Mbeere, Tharaka; you know those people, not Kenyans. This diligently crafted Us vs Them dichotomy explains why the ODM’s leaders have not yet seen fit to visit, or even declare peace with the communities that are being victimised by the outbreaks of violence- communities which in the pre-election campaigns they worked very hard to demonise. When it is not demonising them directly, the ODM and its agents continually seek to invite the GEMA to join Kenyans in voting ODM, proposing all the time that to vote differently is unKenyan.

This is part of the reason for the renewal in Kikuyu nationalism, a whole community has been forced to the wall by the invective of three years and two political campaigns. We stand in our millions -along with Kenyans of every ethnic persuasion in rejection of ethnic chauvinism- and declare to the ODM that we are adamant in our support for President Kibaki and that we too retain the inalienable right to the appellation, Kenyan. We respect that there are those, our brothers and sisters from across the country, with different political persuasions, but never in a million years would we think to pretend that those opinions made them less Kenyan than we are. If it is the sheer numbers in Central Kenya that intimidate the opposition into taking this position, also published as the 41 versus 1 strategy, then the ODM have to now get to their grassroots and urge a population boom. Anything else hurts all of us, and the victims of this hatred will not just be the Gikuyu. The economic and social effects of this policy of excluding one group from the whole will be profound, and as many in Western Kenya are finding, life without the other is not exactly a bed of roses.

The end of this hatred is especially urgent for ODM for, in light of the premeditated and barbaric ODM action in the Rift Valley and across the country, it is unlikely that too many Kenyans, even those who had previously aligned themselves with the party will be particularly drawn to it and its divisive politics any more. The consequences of all the strident screeching about Majimbo and the theory that the Gikuyu hogged all the country’s resources have finally manifested themselves.

Election irregularities

I find it most unfair to look merely at one set of election irregularities while turning a blind eye to the other. Such a predisposition is not only unhelpful, but declares a bias that precludes a just assessment of the elections. It is not unlinked to the over-arching theory of Gikuyu hegemony as it dictates that only one side in the election had the wherewithal to interfere with the vote.
The media and observers seem to have focused merely on crimes committed during the final vote tallying while ignoring the fact that there were several irregularities in ODM zones.
For starters, there was no free will in the vote in Nyanza. Long before the election begun, candidates who would have stood against the ODM nominees were compelled to stand down and those who resisted were demonised and accused of perfidy to the tribe. There were prior to the elections, outbreaks of violence against the disloyal, outbreaks which led to the displacement and non-participation of such persons. There are also credible reports that women and those from communities likely predisposed to vote different than the ODM were obstructed from exercising their voting rights by hooligans either inspired by or hired by the ODM. As the ODM candidate demanded at a campaign rally in Eldoret, ‘hatutaki madoadoa’.

Even worse, and as confirmed by KEDOF in their final vote report, agents representing parties allied to Mwai Kibaki and Kalonzo Musyoka were denied entry into vote counting and vote tallying centres, including most famously Nyayo Stadium where what had been widely billed a close race between Raila Odinga and Stanley Livondo was turned into a rout of suspiciously monumental proportions. This as Uhuru Kenyatta complained, came after Livondo and his group were locked out of the stadium.

Some have asked why the government did not then use the police to back up the blocked voters and insist that the opposition agents be allowed entry at these events. The truth is that the tense pre-election atmosphere did not allow for any use of force by the government, indeed any such moves would have been seen as persecution and would have cost the government votes at the election. Those asking this forget that there were already killings in Nyanza of police personnel prior to the election and that it is this state of violence that ensured that Kibaki and Kalonzo affiliated agents were wary of performing their duties there. Importantly also, any such interference would have undermined the independence of the ECK which was the organisation charged with the proper conduct of the elections. The instruments of legal and legitimate use of force are restricted to use in the protection of the polling station and its environs from the vagaries of the contestants and their agents.

Finally, it is most categorically not true that it is impossible to conduct a re-tally of the forms sent to Nairobi by the poll centres around the country. The agents of all the parties contesting the election carry with them copies of the results announced in these centres and should retain copies of the electoral forms. These can be availed for a national re-tallying, which as the Justice Minister Martha Karua told the BBC’s Hard Talk, the government is very willing to facilitate when ordered by a court of law. Karua herself was part of a group of politicians including George Nyamweya, James Orengo and Anyang’ Nyong’o who sat through the night of the 29th of December with ECK officials and went over the vote tallies from across the land. They subtracted the entire element of suspicious added on votes that the ODM had complained about and Kibaki’s total was adjusted accordingly.

When it was found that the vote still indicated a Kibaki victory, the ODM side sought the very next day to reverse their previous urge for the expeditious publication of the result (remember the ODM had on the 28th and 29th been putting pressure on Kivuitu to announce the victor) and instead began a campaign (Raila even stormed Kivuitu’s home at 0700) to have Kivuitu delay the announcement. Commentators seem to have forgotten that Musalia Mudavadi had already announced the election for the ODM or that there were riots in Kisumu that demanded the election result be announced. Now it seems we only focus on the pressure from the PNU and ODM-K, forgetting all the time the even greater pressure from the ODM the previous day.
As the leaked memo from World Bank country director Colin Bruce avers, the facts are clear. The ODM is only too aware that such a re-assessment would make clear that they lost the election, and are as a result wary of appealing to the courts for such a re-tallying. Mwai Kibaki is the legal, but also the legitimate president of Kenya, which fact will soon be proved in a court of law

Joanne: Jan 14, 2008
I think that all the chatter, and the finger pointing are tiresome and utterly irrelevant at this point- ask the hundreds who have needlessly lost their lives whether their final thoughts were ODM, OR PNU? I think the real issue is what is being played out by the people on the streets who are fed up with all the positing and idle chatter that has only added to inflame new hatreds, and fire up old hurts. Enough already. Enough with the he said, she said, they said, the should not have said..the country is unraveling with such speed, and whats the dosey monster tribalism beast is now out and ready to play.
Move towards healing- enough finger pointing. no ones hands are clean in this shameful display of greed and cowardice.

Uncle joe: Jan 14, 2008
We have to point fingers the country can not heal and return to the same when killers are out there pretending to be champions of democracy.

Joanne: Jan 15, 2008-

True, Or when cowards buy their way into office and from that platform, pose like vultures devouring the carcases of people hopes and dreams for a better life, and pretending to lead the country towards its ultimate destiny.

Mo: Jan 17, 2008-

Yes Uncle Joe.
We shall point fingers to you and like minded personalities who witnessed the electral process being termed “flawed” with an irrelevant ECK that does not know who won the elections.
Yes! to people like you who support unequal distribution of resources, support corrupt governance, injustice and allow to be used by the multi-millionaires who acquire their riches through unscruplous deals throwing their spoils to their supritendents. ,maybe you are one of them.

Yes! Scathing remarks to shameless mean people like you who know too well that Githongo ran away from Kenya because government personalities were on his life. People who support corrupt leaders carrying the Bible”ewe mwenyezi Mungu unisaidie” they procalim so confidently. One feels like saying (God have mercy) “ewe mwenyezi Mungu uwachape na Radi”

The educated like you who fail to learn and comprehend that Economic Majimbo does not mean you go back to your ancestral land where you will be chased by your “cousins” but it means more of decentralizing Nairobi and those living around Lake Nakuru rich in flaura and fauna benefit from it rather than all the revenue going to Nairobi.

Point accusing fingers to those who support organisations like GEMA headed by Njenga Karume whose name appears in many wrong deals and once allowed Mungiki to take control of his hotel during a Central Kenya MP’S retreat. Maybe your were there.

People like you who support Nicholas Biwott and the former president Moi………………………… i don’t need to continue they are Killers who your rigged government is supporting. Anyway one can’t blame their supporters, they don’t know know about being free and fair no wonder they still have colonial D.O’s as their MPS. We would rather have a good name in integrity, honesty, rather than be among those who appoint a personal lawyer as Electoral Commissioner, re-appoint judges who are on investigation to the Court of Appeal, order shoot to kill when people are holding white cloths and branches, swear in a president at night,(what is their difference with Mungiki!).Shameless full of guilt leaders. How do they tell their children “don’t steal” or they tell them it is good to steal when you are educated but not learned . At least we’ll fight back when demanding our rights. In the words of our former freedom hero DEDAN KIMATHI” WE WOULD RATHER DIE ON OUR FEET THAN DIE ON OUR KNEES.” By the way the family is still in absolute poverty 43yrs………….. am sure the COLONIAL D.O.S’ suppoters know the number of years after independence.

Look here Uncle Joe it’s not a time to point fingers as no ones hands are clean it is better to have peace, a constitutional reform that makes the Judiciary executive-free, reduced presidential powers, corrupt free insituitions, more public awareness of their rights, devolution of power. They may be Harvard and London School of Economics, educated but not learned. which are you!

Joanne: Jan 18, 2008

Well said Mo. The only people winning in this chaos are the greedy buggers who are in office, playing God and acting disgustingly nonchalant and innocent, while the needless slaughter of innocents is perpetuated. This is a fight for equitable distribution of resources, and rightfully so. This country was not built on the backs of a select few senile grandfathers who think that their verbal acrobatics and blatant disregard for the lives of people can hide their true intent which is to line their pockets with as much wealth as possible.

The finger pointing and divisiveness is promoted and supported because a people divided by superficial distractions are easy targets for deception. I think that a decent and honest leader would not be panicked about stepping down, after all, if it is the peoples choice, then ideally, nothing should alter that will. You, me, and the hundreds of displaced and martyrs dying on the street know full well that we will be reduced to yet another African statistic before these people come to the realization that life is finite and the wealth they accumulate here is only for this earthly plane- at the end of the day it will be between them, the worms and their God.

uncle joe: Jan 20, 2008-

Yes i believe in keepping things as they are . If you are lazy and dont want to work then you dont eat !kibaki and kikuyus are here to stay and we will not be ruled by boys !
say all you want you leftwing pro british liberals will never have kenya

Poet on a skateboard: Jan 20, 2008

Well said Uncle Joe! Why allow uncircumcised boys to rule us? By virtue of this amongst many other reasons, they and those who think like them do not deserve to eat. We fought for this country and it is ours and no one else’s. Things should remain the way they are. The very thought of Raila running for president cost us millions as Hon.Kimunya said. We are loosing billions in money that may have been accrued through tourism and other sources as the evidence attests but that doesn’t matter. We shall eat at Norfolk and Muthaiga Golf Club because we worked hard for it as Rachel Weisz makes another movie in the slums and later complains about the slums being only a small distance away from our profit. After all, it’s not our fault that they don’t work and why therefore should we care? Talks about sharing resources is unsabstantial. None asked God to bless us and curse them. I pray everyday that i wasn’t born of the wrong tribe and continue asking him to continue blessing us more than them. So what if everything goes up in flames? At least it won’t be in our backyard. We are greater than they think……or are we?

Could we entertain the thought that we might be wrong?

Are we really greater than they think?

Does strength lie in the power of the gun and the coin or does it truly lie in the humility to learn from others; and to dare i say……share?

Are we really what our leaders tell us we are?

The truth is not fashioned to please. If it was, then it would be a convenient one. It’s the disguting visceral truth we’re running from that we must face. Let us stop the running and turn. But what happens if we do face it and still deny it? What becomes of us then?
Should we blatantly disregard the truth we know or embrace the lies that maim?
This is my call to all of you spreading rumours, lies and whose obvious aim is to harden your frail stands…cease and desist sowing seeds of discord. Your heathen boldness will count for nothing when everything falls all around you. There’s a greater war being waged; one that some conveniently ignore but will find it hard to refuse when it blows up. It is however not being waged in the streets or in parliament. Its weapon of choice is not the gun and nor is it the law. It is being waged in the mind as we speak. It is the purging of the putrid, and the soldiers are not the G.S.U or the politicians, but the enlightened who have realised that unity is greater than division. We are exactly what ‘they’ feared we would find out…….that no matter the tribe; Kikuyu, Luo, Pokot, Ilchamus or any other for that matter, we are indeed one blood, one nation. Those who refuse to tow the line, those who refuse to submit, will be swept away and be forgotten and no amount of resistance will stop this tide. “What shall be left behind in the ashes of the wake?”

Nothing shall remain for the putrid. A new day and a rejuvinated people will however emerge but only if those who can, do decide to embrace the truth as all must. There will be no exception to the rule. We cannot compromise truth, justice, our unity and peace for a few people manipulating us, as we continue to live out our poor lives-eking out a living incapable of sustaining ourselves, whilst we’re made to think that the accrued benefits belong only to our so-called leaders and their kin-all who we are falsely made to believe, we ought to rever like gods amonst men.

Ponder on that if you will.

Uncle Joe: Jan 20, 2008-

That the ODM candidates are a superior class of politician,s one with their fingers right on the pulse of ’some’ public opinion is unquestionable, but even his most ardent supporters must have their minds dizzy with the extremity of their vacillation and their capacity for wowing crowds with a steady stream of bile and comedy. It is important that kenya have free and fair elections but the question must be asked, what is it all for? Is it simply a pursuit for glory? What is the intended consequence of ascension to State House. And for the voting public, what are the consequences of the realization that he almost never means what he says?

Nowhere in the constancy of leftwing pro british rhetoric is there a genuine hint of a well-thought out raft of proposals, or indeed even of the embryonic rumor of a pro kenya economic policy. But so hungry are the people, and so far removed from the feast at the table that their eyes are transfixed on the messenger and the boom of his voice. Their fickle attentions mesmerized and misdirected to their disadvantage, hearing only what they want to hear and seeing only what they want to see.

Over a steady fifteen years, carried along in no small part by our political immaturity and desire for ruthless, exploitative leadership, Raila -your leader has succeeded in creating for himself a brand as the enigmatic whitewasher, the man who can make black white and white, black. In the time since, he has arrogated to himself the name of Messiah, and with the consequent fanatical support, crafted an ability to resurrect the political fortunes of many an ugly politician, and with just as much ease to cast as a demon yesterday’s angel. The avenger’s sword has visited many a Kenyan politicians’ throats, most recently that of william ole ntimama and co A short time before that, it was William Ruto on who the war was waged. With stiff reminders that those with court cases would not be allowed to run for president, and that Sally and Henry Kosgei would be taken up to replace him if he did not comply. Now that he has, those court cases are really nothing but a distant memory.

At the last election, it was Raila’s present running mate Musalia Mudavadi who was strung up on charges as the dark force behind Goldenberg, the largest fraud in Kenya’s history. Now, however it is Prof. George Saitoti who must take the blame for those crimes as Musalia is made whiter than the snow. President Moi was also propped up in power by the NDP and Raila’s energies, not just in the support given against James Orengo’s vote of no confidence, but also in the steady buttressing that was supplied to KANU measures in that parliament and in the constitutional efforts of the turn of the century.

The less transported among Raila’s supporters try to hide their discomfort by euphemizing his irresolution, or more frankly his deceitful nature, labeling these ‘tactical political moves’, strategies aimed at reaching political goals. But even they must be wearied by having to constantly explain his capricious nature, a task that is not made any easier by the ODM’s pretensions to the status of ‘reform party.’

Contiinue riding on a wave of british -pleasing nothingness and incendiary rhetoric. you and your maina kiai types

Kenya ni yetu sio yenyu -you can go live in london like Githongo

Joanne Jan 23, 2003-

Come on now, pull the bourgeoise silver spoon out of your mouth for a second and tell me how what you are spewing is not right wing conservative propaganda that assumes that all people have in the past, and at this present moment access to the exact same resources and that the only thing that holds them back is their laziness.

I would love to see youand anyone else who believes this go and attempt to survive in Kibera for a couple hundred shillings a month. It is on the backs of the poor that this country and so many others have been built - not on the fancy talking, monkey suit wearing clowns who have no concept of what it takes to truly survive.In Non-Violence in Peace and War, Gandhi said “What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

We deserve more than a country where fundamental human rights are disregarded at the drop of a hat. Where a first lady can deny powerless people their God given rights to dignity and respect and nothing is done- in fact, intimidation and threats are the order of the day. The rest of us well, we just shake our heads, shrug and laugh about this over nyama choma and beer. There is something wrong with this and there has to be a better way to live.

Uncle Joe Jan 25, 2008-

The ODM leader Raila Odinga is a famous man for his many talents. Foremost among these are his organising and rousing skills. It is true that few politicians in the history of Kenya have had as much ability to provoke their followers to action as has the ODM’s captain. So it is that many Kenyans hoped in earnest that he would be able to quell the violent passion in his supporters, that he would be able to save Kenyan lives by asking that his people restrain themselves, take to the courts and settle disputes particularly those over land in a civilised and non-violent manner. He has pointedly refused to do that, famously insisting to the foreign media that he would not anaesthetize the Kenyan people as they were being raped, and then also shocking the international media by crudely comparing the post-election tragedy with mere post-match skirmishes between the supporters of rival football clubs.

But what is guaranteed to forever tie the opposition leader to the vicious outbreaks of violence against the GEMA ( Gikuyu, Meru, Embu) and the Kamba, is his announcement in Kisumu that, “We should have seven of the 10 parliamentary seats in Kisii, but Kibaki men stole the votes and we only got four. The Kisii are our people. We must not touch them.” I understand that all well-meaning people are unlikely to believe that a national politician would so tacitly endorse violence against sections of the population, but here is the evidence from a newspaper that operates on a similar platform and which quite clearly endorses similar views.

The ODM leader is in these fighting words endorsing violence against those who did not support his party, exonerating those who he has decided voted for him and as a result condemning the others, those non-Kenyans to whatever the wananchi class will decide is their fate. Whereas the Kisii should not be touched, the GEMA and the Akamba who have been the other main victims of this violence, may be touched. This, is the humble pronouncement of a national leader at a rally where he had a great opportunity to take on a reconciliatory stance, to play president and promote an end to the violence. Instead he took to the stage and taking advantage of the people’s emotional state, urged the crowds to come out and fight in the streets.

I am not sure that the people of Kisii would be happy to have their lives saved by these kind words, and we should perhaps not be surprised by Raila’s statement, he is after all the first national politician in Kenyan history to declare an entire fifth of the country’s population ‘adui’. He also bears the great distinction of being the first national politician (in Meru during the campaigns) to promise tears to those who would not vote for him. I do not know how those Luhya and Kisii families who lost their people in the Rift Valley will take to the ODM candidate’s attempt to appropriate for his altar the lives of all those who died in the Rift Valley. I am not sure what they will make of his failure to lament the bows and arrows, he did not lament the burned church, or the doors marked with the ODM 41 slogan he has lived this past year. He has if he was ever uninvolved in the violence and the punishment of dissent, now come out boldly to endorse it.

So it is that we now meet the ODM’s mischevious claim of ethnic cleansing against the government, which move it is promoting at the International Criminal Court. Again the ODM side are told that the state is out to finish them, thus ensuring that they come out again now ready to fight, the already selected enemy, to the death. Paying absolutely no attention to the reports from the Rift Valley, and with a media and civil society missing in action, the ODM Secretary General declares that the State action in Kisumu (which incidentally many local business owners are calling delayed and not firm enough) was both premeditated and designed to kill as many as possible. And Anyang’ Nyong’o is not without inspiration, in his only comment on the Rift Valley attacks to date, the ODM leader Raila Odinga attempted to justify them first by constructing a narrative in which these attacks were a revenge mission, and then declaring that the perpetrators were unaware that those they chasing after had hidden themselves among women and children. So again, we find an endorement of the violence, except perhaps Kikuyu women ought perhaps to be grateful that they are deemed unworthy of the sword and the flame, destiny’s which must now be the left, by the process of elimination to the males of the GEMA and Akamba people.

The Langata MP as I said is famous for his organisational aptitude, and his violent ways, but he is also famous for putting his foot into his mouth. In the same week that it finally dawned on even the most stubborn that the Rift Valley massacres were premeditated, planned and disciplined, his endorsement in Kisumu will make the case for his innocence so much harder to prove.

-PS Joanne my bourgeoise silver spoon has never prevent you or any other person from getting what you want in life .Despite your efforts and other neo liberal types politics in kenya has never been about silver spoons and wooden spoons. You might hide away from the facts but it is luo and kalenjin people attacking and killing kikuyus

maybe you should educate the so called “kenyans you speak for” wake up this is Africa not england or Europe your liberal ideas have no place here .

Joanne: Jan 25, 2008-

Dorothy Thompson said Peace is not the absence of conflict but the presence of creative alternatives for responding to conflict — alternatives to passive or aggressive responses, alternatives to violence.,,,
alternatives ways of thinking too..and on that chipper note Uncle jo, stop your whining and try step out of the box you are in and smell the propaganda and oppression- be the change the world needs. my man, be the change.


Uncle Joe: Jan 26, 2008-

joanne i feel sorry for you and your fellow odm supporters - continue quoting dorothy thompson .250 k kikuyus dont have homes anymore what make you think we want peace with you anymore

Joanne: Jan 28, 2008-

Dear, dear Uncle Jo. I do not have to feel all warm and fuzzy about what you are saying, but I respect and defend your right to say, think and feel whatever it is you choose to - and as long as the peace is mine to share, i offer it up to you unwaveringly. PEACE my brother.


Uncle joe: Jan 28, 2008-

You can take your peace and stick it where the sun dont shine -I dont want to hear your peace it is too late for your peace . No raila no peace remember well its No Raila so you can do what you want with your peace offering we are well passed that stage


Joanne: Jan 28, 2008-

Unwavering peace still being sent your way dear Uncle Jo- far beyond politics and tribal lines- merely peace for the sake of trying something new for a change and because you are human first.

Enjoy your peace filled day sunshine.

Karin Goldschmidt: Jan 31, 2008-

Uncle Joe, you really are N frican - the African of the slave trade hunt-and-sell-your-brother for glass beads type of African.

Uncle joe: Feb 1, 2008-

Karin Goldschmidt i am tired of all you johnny come lately armchair kenyan experts who know everything about kenya just because you watch and read bbc ,cnn and biased kenyan blogs.
what do you know about tribal clashes in 92 97 or even present day kenya. What do you know about the millions who voted for kibaki only to be hacked and brutalized . What do you know about those of us who have turned the other cheek more than twice - what??

What does slave trade have to do with Kenya today apart from the fact that odm trying to sell our souls to their british masters .

I shouldn’t even dignify your post with an answer consider yourself ignored

Karin Goldschmidt: Feb 1, 2008-

For an “ignored”, I seem to have got your hackles way, way up, uj. What slave trade has to do with Kenya to day? Its 500 shillings for this and thatcriminal thuggery, and double that for murder of fellow human being - the glass beads from those who pay that amount or more for perfumed toilette paper from overseas!

Mwangi wa Kimaru: Feb 3, 2008-

Yes very soon those who think perfumed toilette paper from overseas doesn’t have anything to contribute will feel the wrath of funds raised abroad for some good work at home against those who feel they can butcher our people. Karin you don’t know anything about Kenya if anything you colonialist are the problem now just as you were during the slave trade .

Maina: Feb 3, 2008-

The colossal misunderstanding of our time is the assumption that insight will work with people who are unmotivated to change. Communication does not depend on syntax, or eloquence, or rhetoric, or articulation but on the emotional context in which the message is being heard. People can only hear you when they are moving toward you, and they are not likely to when your words are pursuing them. Even the choices words lose their power when they are used to overpower. Attitudes are the real figures of speech.
(Edwin H. Friedman)

Enough said. I know a lot a bout Kenya, and I know that right now the problem with Kenyans are the kenyans who refuse to see that killing and murdering other humans is wrong. I do not care if it is a kikuyu killing a kikuyu, or aluo, or a kisii..it is wrong. Wrong is wrong uj..that is all there is to it. So get smart brother, or get extinct.

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  1. acolyte on February 4th, 2008 6:22 pm

    This Uncle Joe character is a piece of work, he trolls very many Kenyan blogs and forums. where he gets the time and energy, I dont know….

  2. uncle joe on February 5th, 2008 12:12 am

    An analysis of the violence

    While some of us grieve lost ones, and while thousands of Kenyans grapple with the reality of losing all their earthly possessions(Unlike Pro ODM Kwani Bloggers and pro British leftist Kikuyus- Bad Apples )it’s time to reflect on how the violence escalated to these, previously unimaginable levels.

    In my view the violenc and its drivers can be divided into several categories.

    The spontaneous expression of outrage at the perceived flawed election

    This was what was witnessed in Kibera and Kisumu. Traditionally, this rather loud and exuberant expression of either political opinion or disappointment has historically had few if any cases of violence meted out on individuals. The disappointment was expected especially considering that this was a close election. Exit polls conducted by independent parties showed that Kibaki had won by 47% of the vote to Raila Odinga’s 42%, but pre-election polling had for a long time prepped the ODM for a victory. The expectation was that as reality and sanity set in, these expressions of exultant exuberance would have peacefully dissipated.

    This has provided the hallmark of how Kenya has achieved political progress and change by civil means. This non-violent expression of political opinion is encouraged. The transition to multi-partysm led by most famously Kenneth Matiba and Charles Rubia is based on just this.

    The dousing of the spontaneous expression by inflammatory statement.

    I do not recall any calls for calm by the so-called people’s president when his supposedly aggrieved supporters had the upper hand in the violence that raged. Matter of fact, all I heard was him calling Kenya’s legal president a thief. There were further calls for “mass action”.

    In an already volatile situation, the call for mass action in a situation that is already spiraling out of control is tantamount to inciting the perpetrators of the violence. In repeated press briefings, there were claims by ODM that they had won most of the provinces. The reality is that President Kibaki won 4 of the 8 provinces and was not the president of one tribe as the ODM has sought to promote. Half of the provinces is not most. This was a convenient oversight that was continuously relayed to the Kenyan people. The Kenyan and international media has not made a protracted effort to rectify this false perception. The continuous and false claims that ODM had won most of the provinces did little to assuage their peeved supporters. When the country needed leadership, neither Ruto from Eldoret nor Raila from Kibera appealed to their constituents to maintain the peace. It is really most preposterous to ask that President Kibaki make this effort, quite clearly his presence in these areas would only be inflammatory.

    The planned and well coordinated attacks in the Rift Valley

    This international media has characterized the violence in the Rift Valley as ethnic violence. There is the implication that neighbor is rising against neighbor. This is not the truth. The truth is that there are organized criminal gangs that are unleashing this violence. These criminal gangs are not even native to the areas when they are unleashing the violence. The reality is that gangs of people do not assemble on a single night and cause mayhem over an entire region as a sporadic act of expressing anger and outrage. There is more to this violence than meets the eye, and it needs to be thoroughly explored. Even Bishop Cornelius Korir agrees.

    “Bishop Cornelius Korir spoke in western Eldoret, scene of the fiery massacre of Kikuyu. Eldoret and surrounding areas have seen an exodus of Kikuyus since. The violence across the country has killed some 500 people.

    “The way the attacks were managed seems to me very organized,” Korir said as the U.S. envoy, Jendayi Frazer, toured the region Tuesday. “No, it did not seem spontaneous to me … It seems it was well planned.”

    Over a quarter of a million people have been displaced - each has a story of property razed, or a personal testimony of a threat of violence, there have been numerous witnesses that have claimed that the violence was promised even before the elections (so much for spontaneity!). Pause and comprehend that number, - 250,000 displaced! Not over a month, but in two or three days. The MO of the perpetrators of this mayhem, ranging from Kuresio, to Ngenia Farm in Molo, to Eldoret was the same. Burn! Loot! Maim!

    Even then we must not overlook those who have risen above the hatred. Most of the residents have stories of their neighbors (some of them from the supposedly terrorizing tribe) helping them to hide or providing assistance in one form or the other.

    But who then are the perpetrators of this violence? Where does their hatred, over and above the normal arise from? Why such ruthless efficiency? Where do they get the resources to travel in such large groups and cover such long distances? Who are this people? Who is sponsoring them? How come they are only to be found in ODM strongholds? Why have the ODM leaders not strongly condemned these acts of violence? Or prevailed upon their supporters with sincerity to stop the violence?

    These are not freedom crusaders; they are local terrorists. Calling this low life criminal gangs anything but that is an insult to our freedom fighters, an insult to all those that have fought for democracy, an insult to the heroes who spear-headed the crusade for multi-partysm. The violence in the Rift Valley was not about an election loss. It was about majimbo - enforcing a political system by hook or crook, demanding zones of ethnic exclusivity much in the same way as the ethnic cleansing of the 1990s did. The violence would have broken out irrespective of the outcome of the elections

    I also believe the final death count from the Rift valley will be higher than the official death count as it stands today - as evidenced here. From various media sources, the victims of the violence say that there are still bodies not yet collected and are out there - in the razed wheat fields, in the rolling lush green tea bushes in Kericho, in the burnt houses in Burnt Forest and in small outposts where killing a family of Kikuyus is not exactly going to make the news.

    To serve and protect

    The claim that there are multiple deaths by bullet wounds does not implicate the police only. As has been clearly documented in the one case where some refugees were attacked in a police station, these criminal gangs have guns. Not every bullet-riddled body is a result of police bullets. We should not blame the police for serving and protecting. That they killed marauding armed criminals who had shown a propensity to kill is called serving and protecting.

    The real culprits are still roaming free in the killing fields of Kuresoi, Burnt Forest, Ngenia Farm, Eldoret, Kericho and more areas in the North Rift. These criminal kale gangs that barricaded roads and pulled Kikuyus from matatus exiting the North Rift should be pursued, prosecuted and tried for pre-meditated killings.

    The accidental deaths of innocent people caught in the melee by the police are, in America speak, collateral damage. Their deaths are truly unfortunate, as they were truly innocent victims caught in the line of police fire. Some were maybe genuine demonstrators, some were looters who in a situation that was quickly deteriorating, were met with the full force of the law.

    It would be wrong as some commentators are doing, to labell all the violence, post-election violence, or tribal clashes. All across the country, it has shwon itself to be very varied in both its inspiration and its execution.

    Oh and since it pains and hurts some that i said we can t be ruled by a kihii i say it again just to drive the knife in deeper and give it a twist for Kwani supporters - for every few in nairobi who think its backward there are millions like me who care less what you think

  3. Renegade Eye on February 5th, 2008 9:09 am

    Good blog.

    One of the tragedies is that both candidates, have few doctrinal differences. All the world powers care about is stability. They don’t care who won.

    Kenya is another example of why neoliberalism doesn’t work. It is time for the oppressed to unite for real change, revolutionary socialism.

  4. Kuria on February 5th, 2008 12:25 pm

    Land and Historical Injustices: How forward? (Part 1)

    Peter Kuria

    Introduction

    The history of land crisis in Kenya cannot be viewed solely from a post independence point of view. For a comprehensive understanding of the underlying factors and in order to develop frameworks for a lasting solution, a deeper look at the historical dimension of the crisis should be given due consideration. A thorough forensic examination should generate a timeline of when and the context of how land became a tool for oppression and political control and hence the center of the evolving crisis.

    Post independent Kenya undoubtedly inherited a highly skewed system of land ownership in 1963. The period of colonialisation dating back to 1895, the British introduced a system of widespread land alienation for the benefit of settler agriculture. As a result the best agricultural land so called the White Highlands, and the adjacent rangelands were taken from Africans, without compensation, and distributed out to white settlers. This was achieved through the Crown Lands Ordinance of 1915, commenced on 26.11.15 (AG Chambers 2008).

    Through the Ordinance, Africans were declared Tenants at Will of the Crown. The Ordinance declared that all ‘waste and unoccupied’ land in the protectorate ‘Crown Land’ and was subject to the governor’s powers of alienation. It created the reserves for ‘natives’ and located them away from areas scheduled for European settlement.

    Through the ordinance the British Government implemented its policy of European settlement in the Kenyan Highlands. Crown land was allocated through direct grants by the Governor or sold by public auction unless the Governor ordered otherwise. This in effect legalized mass alienation with the result of whole communities loosing valuable land that they had occupied over generations.

    The colonial government, acting on the advice of the Law Officers of the Crown, declared on December 13, 1899 that under Britain’s Foreign Jurisdiction Act of 1890, the imperial power had control over and could dispose of “waste and unoccupied land in protectorates where there was no settled form of government and where land had not been appropriated to the local sovereign or to individuals”.

    At the coast of Kenya, through the Land Titles Ordinance and a Concession Agreement, the Imperial British East Africa Company (IBEAC) acquired all the rights to land in the Sultan’s territory, save for private land. Private land in this context meant land held under certificates of ownership issued by the Sultan. They were issued to Arabs. Unfortunately, only a few of the local inhabitants were aware of the process and few availed themselves of the opportunity to register land in their names. The land later became Government Land at independence contributing to the massive landlessness in this part of the country.

    Land resettlement programmes never addressed the mass alienation and the schemes that were introduced failed to reverse the loss of African land. The first president Jomo Kenyatta’s government opted for a land resettlement programme based on a “willing buyer-willing seller” system rather than direct land repossession and redistribution.

    Post Independence “willing buyer-willing seller” land reform?
    The underlying assumption under this scheme was that every Kenyan including those who had been made landless by the legislative framework was capable of mobilising financial resources. This was not the case. Majority of the Kenyan landless did not have the means; they were the poorest of the poor. Loan schemes that were put in place by the government were not crafted to suit the times and many who took the loans were unable to repay them leaving them in an insecure tenure regime and totally inhibiting their economic potential (KLA 2004).

    The Africans, those in the middle class and other economic elites bought much of the land that had been first been taken by the white settlers from the same poor communities.

    Politics and corruption of the government supported resettlement schemes?
    The government settlements schemes were assumed to be apolitical and above board. The abuse of powers and corruption in the land resettlement programme allowed the corrupt political and economic elites within the Kenyatta government to acquire land that was meant for the landless. In Kenya today, the Kenyatta family owns over half a million hectares (Daily Nation - Ongwen 2004) in a country with a population of over 34 Million and with 5 million hectares of land suitable for rainfed agriculture. (?)

    Constitution and land rights and multiple conflicting policies
    The Constitution negotiated at Lancaster House in London, provided for an elaborate protection of private property without reference to the history of its acquisition. The successive post-independence governments have continued to uphold the sanctity of privately owned land to the frustration of the large number of Kenyans who had been dispossessed through colonialism leaving them squatters on their ancestral land or landless poor.

    This is one of the key issues that the government must draw a clear and comprehensive road map to addressing it. In addition, new legislations like the Forest Act 2005 go deeper in alienating land from the indigenous communities by creating institutions that make it legal for privatisation of such lands without due compensation. Majority of policies related to natural resources including water, minerals, wildlife, tourism have been crafted based on the constitution and therefore need a comprehensive review in order address the underlying problems on the historical injustices.

    According to Joseph Ole Simel (MPIDO), commenting on The Commission of Inquiry into Land Law Systems of Kenya (1999) and on Draft Constitution of Kenya 2004 (Bomas Draft), ‘Legislation be passed for review of ancestral/historical land claims and disputes including those dating back to 1895 with a view to reaching a just and peaceful resolution of the same, taking into account the nature of the unresolved claim or dispute and the current needs and interests of the nation.

    Should there be another Commission?
    The current crop of politicians have benefited from the flawed land policy (or lack of) and own huge tracts of land in disputed areas like referenced above. The most likely response from the current crop of politicians will be the creation of a commission to look into the issue of land and historical injustices.

    There already exists various reports supported by governments and NGOs which have pointed out to the historical injustices and deliberated at length under the Constitution of Kenya Review Commission, the Presidential Commission of Inquiry into the Land Law System of Kenya and the Presidential Commission of Inquiry into the Illegal/Irregular Allocation of Public Land and the National Land Policy Formulation Process. There exist clear recommendations on what needs to be done.

    The crisis facing Kenya today has forced the hand of the government and it must now act to provide a road map to equitable access to land and resources. Land is the engine to economic development. The various studies of the land question in Kenya have established the inextricable linkages between the problems of poverty, insecurity and landlessness (KLA 2004).

    The failure by successive governments to adequately deal with the land issue has lead the problem to ferment into a national crisis (Ndungu Land Report, Southall 2005).

  5. Zephyr on February 5th, 2008 10:00 pm
  6. Maina on February 5th, 2008 11:51 pm

    uj, your view is ass backwards- so are many of the views expresses by others, the diff, is at least people are recognizing this as a bias. you have taken bits and pieces of information to create a story that is more to your liking- the fact that it is made up by you, in your own view is completely besides the point- I am not for your way of thinking brother, the way forward is to through this biased and short sighted train of thought bwana- even you have to see this somewhere in the back of your mind? there are 53 tribes who make up this country, not just one. we have to think beyond tribal politics and work towards creating peace for all kenyans.

  7. Yo on February 6th, 2008 2:54 am

    ……”The transition to multi-partysm led by most famously Kenneth Matiba and Charles Rubia is based on just this.”…….

    Yawn! This is off KenyaImagine.com; a posting by some dude called Rubia! As he was told then I will tell him now… If you for one minute think that only Matiba and Rubia stood up at that critical time then you dis-respect those who stood with them and even further dis-respect those who came before them and were still standing while these 2 and others were just “vinyangarikas” get it right!

  8. Yo on February 6th, 2008 2:56 am

    ……”The transition to multi-partysm led by most famously Kenneth Matiba and Charles Rubia is based on just this.”…….

    Yawn! Uncle Joe your cut and paste up there is off KenyaImagine.com; a posting by some dude called Rubia! As he was told then I will tell him now… If you for one minute think that only Matiba and Rubia stood up at that critical time then you dis-respect those who stood with them and even further dis-respect those who came before them and were still standing while these 2 and others were just “vinyangarikas” get it right!

  9. James Wabwire on February 19th, 2008 6:49 pm

    When I read you third rate columnist, political and social perverts who hold brief for looters of the Kenyan sweat, I feel angry, I feel so sad and ashamed that you breath the same air I breath.
    Ole Kantai rightly put it, the Republic for the young. Today there are people shamelessly Calling the MP of Othaya Mr. President, that is the wrong name. He is supposed to be called General Gihoya. Gihoya in the true sense of the word.
    Mr. Kibaki declaring himself President of the republick of Kenya was the worst joke that ever happened in Kenya, I saw a coward who could not come out to Uhuru Park as Kenyan tradition demanded.
    Kenyatta swore as President at Uhuru Park and the jubilation shook the British empire, Arap Moi as illitrate as he was saw the wisdom of doing the same.
    When Kibaki was sworn in on a Wheel chair we all sung who can Bwog me! Indeed the artist had known Kibaki was easily bwogaeble. On Dec 29, he could not face Kenyans, instead, he hired thugs, brainless GSUs recruited with Ds and failures, to stand and protect him. He sank Kenya to the age of illitracy, Where debate is not the norm.
    He has even managed to let Bush (the most undemocratic person) be the one to put pressure on Kenyans, Shame1 Shame! Shame!.
    He talks of a constitution, drafted by the British, mutilated by Kenyatta, abused by Moi and burried by Kibaki, the Kenyan constitution is not worth the paper it is written on. We have rejected it at all times, and we will not respect it.
    Kibaki did not win the election! otherwise he would have invited Kenyans to celebrate with him, instead, he called on an old sick man, fatigued and almost senile to declare him President before another Chief Injustice Evan Gicheru to swear him in.
    I hear Kibaki has now turned to the Mungiki, they can only fight once, twice is too long. the rest will be Kamau, Njuguna, Wainaina running to boot lick the colonialist seeking country of refuge asylum.
    Kibaki did not win the election, otherwise he would not be with Kalonzo, he would have formed a government of Kikuyus!. he lost miserably,
    He was so beaten that he could not think what it meant to have GSUs on the streets, and army men on the roads. He has ashamed Kenyans, that we can not command the respect we commanded as brainy people who knew what they are doing.
    Kibaki and his Kikuyu chauvinism is devoid of insight and thought that I do not wonder where they will take the country. I know they will send it to the dogs,
    They have the ability to blunder, Angloleasing, Mungiki, Mamluki. Kibaki is nothing but a political blunder, an intellectual accident.
    Those who hold brief for him are in for a very very rude shock. They should ask Sadam hanging by the hangman noose. When his ministers kept the bravado. They have all hanged.
    I am not recommending that for Kibaki, I simply pray for his good health, so that one day he will be able to see what it means to win an election, When the Republic of the young is developed, he will be ashamed to have called himself President. He will know what it means to be Kenyan. Kibaki is not Kenyan he is Kikuyu, just that.

  10. James Wabwire on February 19th, 2008 6:49 pm

    When I read you third rate columnist, political and social perverts who hold brief for looters of the Kenyan sweat, I feel angry, I feel so sad and ashamed that you breath the same air I breath.
    Ole Kantai rightly put it, the Republic for the young. Today there are people shamelessly Calling the MP of Othaya Mr. President, that is the wrong name. He is supposed to be called General Gihoya. Gihoya in the true sense of the word.
    Mr. Kibaki declaring himself President of the republick of Kenya was the worst joke that ever happened in Kenya, I saw a coward who could not come out to Uhuru Park as Kenyan tradition demanded.
    Kenyatta swore as President at Uhuru Park and the jubilation shook the British empire, Arap Moi as illitrate as he was saw the wisdom of doing the same.
    When Kibaki was sworn in on a Wheel chair we all sung who can Bwog me! Indeed the artist had known Kibaki was easily bwogaeble. On Dec 29, he could not face Kenyans, instead, he hired thugs, brainless GSUs recruited with Ds and failures, to stand and protect him. He sank Kenya to the age of illitracy, Where debate is not the norm.
    He has even managed to let Bush (the most undemocratic person) be the one to put pressure on Kenyans, Shame1 Shame! Shame!.
    He talks of a constitution, drafted by the British, mutilated by Kenyatta, abused by Moi and burried by Kibaki, the Kenyan constitution is not worth the paper it is written on. We have rejected it at all times, and we will not respect it.
    Kibaki did not win the election! otherwise he would have invited Kenyans to celebrate with him, instead, he called on an old sick man, fatigued and almost senile to declare him President before another Chief Injustice Evan Gicheru to swear him in.
    I hear Kibaki has now turned to the Mungiki, they can only fight once, twice is too long. the rest will be Kamau, Njuguna, Wainaina running to boot lick the colonialist seeking country of refuge asylum.
    Kibaki did not win the election, otherwise he would not be with Kalonzo, he would have formed a government of Kikuyus!. he lost miserably,
    He was so beaten that he could not think what it meant to have GSUs on the streets, and army men on the roads. He has ashamed Kenyans, that we can not command the respect we commanded as brainy people who knew what they are doing.
    Kibaki and his Kikuyu chauvinism is devoid of insight and thought that I do not wonder where they will take the country. I know they will send it to the dogs,
    They have the ability to blunder, Angloleasing, Mungiki, Mamluki. Kibaki is nothing but a political blunder, an intellectual accident.
    Those who hold brief for him are in for a very very rude shock. They should ask Sadam hanging by the hangman noose. When his ministers kept the bravado. They have all hanged.
    I am not recommending that for Kibaki, I simply pray for his good health, so that one day he will be able to see what it means to win an election, When the Republic of the young is developed, he will be ashamed to have called himself President. He will know what it means to be Kenyan. Kibaki is not Kenyan he is Kikuyu, just that.

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